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nomizw kalufthka.. s auta p anefers safesteps fantazomai upologizeis k to kerdos apo endexomeni mplofa an xasei to draw tou o villain p einai ena akomi kerdos tou flat call se auto to simeio etsi..?

bits10 έγραψε: auto...

de skeftetai kaneis raise to raise sto turn..?

the cincinnati kid k rounders...

eirhrh hmin...mages cool...apopseis antalassoume g na ginoume kaluteroi k na doume tin optiki allwn atomwn panw se xeria... den uparxei logos na xalame tis kardies mas...

iJustRiveredYou έγραψε: [/quote:36hhzqrr]whatever...egw pantws eipa ti einai auto p egrapse o hpanigma. oute eipe pws mporw na to kanw oute einai sigouro pws mporei na epiteuxthei sto sugekrimeno shmeio... opote de vlepw to logo eirwnias.... ps kanw triple range merging mono enantion tou dwan...mono ekei pianei...

@hpanigma auto p periegrapses to na se kanei call o allos me bluffcatchers k na vretheis na kerdizeis den einai tuxh einai range merging k einai duskolo na to kaneis kathws to kanoun mono oi kaluteroi paiktes...

@hpanigma nomizw oti st head up einai arketes oi fores p th se callaroun me mikrotera pp akomi k 3 barrels. @aizack gt pisteveis pws den einai kalo to bet st turn..?

crackLiNg έγραψε: oxi aplws pistevei pws vriskontai polu pisw ap to 5beting range tou nit opote den uparxei logos na to kanei 4bet kathws th diwksei ola ta xeirotera...gt den nomizw pws th kanei flat call o villain polla xeria se 4bet.

nai k egw nomizw pws sto heads up uparxoun idiaiterothtes opote me to na kaneis 3 streets bet den kaneis to QQ mplofa..eidika an exeis balanced strathgikh. eimai apoluta sumfwnos me bet se flop k turn. to river exei na kanei pragmatika polles fores me tin proistoria k poso thin value bets kaneis k poso ikanos einai na kanei autos call se auta me mikrotera pps. thewrw pws to bet isws einai upervoliko g arxi kathws oi perissoteroi antipaloi einai pio tight. ap tin alli to bet einai isws thetiko ap tin pleura t metagaming. dld an edw eixe Kx k ekane to call th kerdizes polu gt tin epomeni fora p th xeis Ky me y>x k autos th exei Kx i QQ th se kanei call pio light gt sto mualo t auto th boreis na to kaneis me JJ,p10s i kati allo analoga me to board..

k egw den exw provlima me to limp pre... edw thelw na rwthsw kati tous pio empeirous. estw oti exete se late positiosn me sxetika mikro stack(20-30bb) ta ekshs fulla:A5,K8s,Q10,89s,66.k ginetai limp apo ena pithanon duo paiktes mporsta apo mas. pws paizete auta ta fulla dedomenou oti i apomonosi dhmiourgei awkward stacks k mas sterei ti dunatothta na kinhthoume pio euelikta postflop...?(an ginetai full strategy dld poia ap auta th paizate,poso raise kanete,ti flops th cbetarate me to kathe fullo kok) einai ena fainomeno p sunantao suxna se late stage k me tsantizei gt petaw polla fulla p alliws th anoiga k th ta epaiza pio epithetika opote me endiaferei i proseggisi p akoloutheite...

to vriksw polu kalo mias k o A einai i teleia karta g thin value bet...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/183/m ... -a-942935/ polloi fantazomai th to exete dei hdh... oi upoloipoi aksizei na t riksete mia matia...

στη 2η νομιζω ειναι ευκολο πασσο εκτος κ αν αγνοω κατι. στην 3η δε μπορω να πω με σιγουρια γιατι δεν ειμαι ιδιαιτερα καλος γνωστης του icm αλλα φανταζομαι πως αν ασχοληθεις και το ψαξεις μπορεισ να βγαλεις αν ειναι σωστο η λαθος το call του. το δικο σ shove λογικο μ φαινεται καθως η υπαρξη τ short stack αναγγαζει τον αντιπαλο να παει πασσο τη συντρηπτικη πλειοψηφια των φυλλων του. στο 1ο εγω θα ειχα shovarei pre. αυτα απο μενα χωρις να παιζω ιδιαιτερα stt..

pragmatika den mporw na ktlvw ti checkarei turn k shovarei river. oso g ton caller mallon eimaste kaluteroi ap auton kathws to line t einai polu passive me call flop/check behind turn/call river.se toso draw heavy board... emena to call de m fainetai kako en telei(eimai k megalo calling station allwste) dld aneta mporei na einai missed draw to shove k top pair to call.. par ola auta sumfwnw pws kalutera na kaneis megalutero bet sto flop k bet turn. thumamai pws eixes pei pws kaneis mikra bet se multi way g balancing alla apenanti se fish de vlepw kamia xrhsimothta sto balancing...

telika poios xanei k poios kerdizei apo auti tin katastasi..?

vsk me ta odds p pairnw de me peirazei na me callarei top pair allwste protimo na riskarw edw g na ftiaksw ena megalo stack p th me voithisei na piesw argotera. alla kata passa pithanotita enas apo tous callers exei megalutero flush draw kati to opoio einai katastrofiko...

ontws 9/10 den apodidei..

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds (5 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com UTG (t4136) MP (t7365) Button (t6338) SB (t3916) Hero (BB) (t3560) Hero's M: 19.78 Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 10 3 folds, SB bets t360, Hero calls t240 Flop: (t720) 7, A, 8(2 players) SB bets t480, Hero calls t480 Turn: (t1680) 3(2 players) SB checks, Hero bets t900, SB calls t900 River: (t3480) 9(2 players) SB checks, Hero bets t1820 (All-In), SB calls t1820 Total pot: t7120 agnwstos paixths preflop arketa kalo fullo g blinds k paizw se thesi opote kanw call sto flop o A de m leei polla kathws exei arketa megalo range p logika kanei raise apo sb opote dokimazw float st turn checkarei k pontarw opws itan logiko k kanei call ekei pleon ton vazo eite se kapoio pp i 8x i flush draw to opoio apektise sto turn. to river einai brick k to erwthma einai exei elpida to shove m?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2.25 Tournament, 120/240 Blinds 25 Ante (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com SB (t7795) Hero (BB) (t4635) UTG (t6505) UTG+1 (t4940) MP1 (t2735) MP2 (t12602) CO (t6715) Button (t4920) Hero's M: 8.28 Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 8 UTG calls t240, 1 fold, MP1 calls t240, 2 folds, Button calls t240, SB calls t120, Hero checks Flop: (t1400) Q, 3, 5(5 players) SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets t240, 1 fold, Button calls t240, SB calls t240, Hero raises to t4370 (All-In), 1 fold, Button raises to t4655 (All-In), SB calls t4415 Turn: (t15320) 3(3 players, 2 all-in) River: (t15320) J(3 players, 2 all-in) Total pot: t15320 nomizw lathos m kathws meta ta 2 calls einai polu pithano kapoios allos na exei flush draw.. apopseis..?

de thewrw lathos ton tropo p epaikses aplws mallon den kaneis rep polla pragmata ektos apo draw me auto t raise. dld 99,jj,AK,KQ, mallon einai 3bet preflop opote mporei logika na ta apokleisei apo to range s. epishw me k8+ logika th ekanes flat call sto flop ara ta mona hands p fovatai einai KJ,J9,Q10 enw apo tin alli me toso draw heavy board einai logiko na upothesei pws eisai se kapoio combo draw kata passa pithanotita... ara up auti tin ennoia isws itan kalutero hand disguise to flat call sto flop... alla ektos ap auto not much u can do

sumfnw m harima

egw thelw na pw kati allo p skeftomoun alla den kerw an einai swsto mathimatika. estw oti paizoume all in sto pot k exoume equity 50% g pot 350.000=175.000 an kanoume passo meta to raise tou villain menoume me 130.000.estw loipon oti meta apo 10 xeria k enw exoume meinei me 120.000 ta vazoume all in me 70/30 provadisma.tote exoume equity 70%*250.000=175.000. dld th prepei na vroume ena shmeio 70/30 k malista suntoma g na dikdikisoume to idio poso markwn p mporoume na diekdikhsoume twra. einai lathos skeptiko...?

oso k an einai to FE sigoura me auto to line einai to megisto p th borouse na exei... allo ena shmantiko stoixeio einai pws an foldaroume menoume me 24bb. de nomizw oti th vroume polla kalutera shmeia me tetoio stack g na diplasiasoume enw twra ginomaste chipleader an kerdisoume kati p logika protima enas paikths p thelei na kerdisei to tournoua k oxi na anevei to money ladder opws o paulos...

to mono p mporw na pw me sigouria einai oti m aresei to sizing sto 1o bet gt s dinei folding equity sto 3bet.(an kai afou einai fish mallon den passarei meta to raise) to check/raise th m arese pio polu upo tin ennoia oti th valeis auton sto dilhmma an th sprwksei all in..aplws etsi den ksereis an th valei to 1o bet h th paei checked, k ta dead money einai polla g na ta afhseis adiekdikhta me tetoio combo draw... +to ch/raise th edeixne megalh dunamh meta to bet t preflop aggresor se 3 atoma... genikws pantws den exw katastalaksei ti einai pio optimal se tetoies katastaseis(lead-check/raise)