Live Cash vs "The Grinder" Mizrachi

[crf88]

dimimil έγραψε:

Δεν έχω παίξει ποτέ badugi, αλλά κάτι δεν μου κολλάει με το χέρι του Chino. Υποθέτω το 3 κούπα ήταν έπρεπε να είναι το 5 κούπα, αλλά και πάλι μπορεί να κάνω λάθος, όντας άσχετος.

yep 5 koupa prepei na nai allios den exei noima

[SickSick]

Nai to alla3a twra

[Iceberg]

SickSick έγραψε:

badugi hand (2345 rainbow = nuts)

An den kano lathos sto badugi A234 rainbow = nuts, kai A235 rainbow = 2nd nuts.

Poli endiaferonta xeria. gj.

[Havalencia]

To 5o nut exei o ss kai to 3o o chino alla sunexizei na einai oso pio sick gientai to hand! Me mia epifulaksi panta!

Sicksick sunexise na postareis. Pragmatika meta ti niki sou sto leaderboard tou ftops kai vlepwntas na paizeis tetoia games se tetoia stakes se katatasw isws stin prwti thesi twn ellinwn paiktwn. wd!

[SickSick]

Iceberg έγραψε:

SickSick έγραψε:

badugi hand (2345 rainbow = nuts)

An den kano lathos sto badugi A234 rainbow = nuts, kai A235 rainbow = 2nd nuts.

Poli endiaferonta xeria. gj.[/quote:1l90jmtg]

Exeis dikaio Iceberg, sto kanoniko badugi o Assos einai low. Sto Baduci omws o Assos pezei high, opotan 2345 einai to nut badugi hand ekei, kai meta 2346.

Yparxei vevaia kai to BadAcey opou einai to idio game me ton asso Low, kai xwris kentes/flush na metrane (A2345 einai ta nuts sto triple draw anti 23457 xwris flush)

[HULK]

Really sick !!!!!!

keep it up ...

[SickSick]

Game #5: Stud Hi/Lo. Exw pesei sta 4k me ta diadoxika coolers, alla pame sta stud games pou eimai poly dinatos kai pezete mia poly cool partida me ton Mizrachi.

Proto hand tou neou game, kai pezoume 3 handed se auto to hand epeidi o Chino pige na dei mia megali partida pou epeze (kai telika exase) o Ballande

Eimai to bring in $50 me ( ) , sigoura top premium hand sto Stud Hi/Lo me 3 low cards tou assou, kai suited mazi. Kanei raise o Mizrachi me to , fold o Kelly Kim, kai nomizontas oti pezoume Stud HI kanw mono flat call.

Ginete deal to 4th street:

SS: ( )

MM: ( X X )

Se auto to simeio koitazei o Kelly Kim tin lista me tin seira ton games kai leei, "Oh we are playing stud Hi/Lo". O Mizrachi leei "I thought this was Stud Hi" kai tou lew egw "Yeah its ok I did as well". Tou eipa tin alitheia vevaia alla ithela kai na skeftei oti exw isos kapio pair sto xeri mou, kai na min 3erei oti exw tria xartia gia low. Kai tautoxrona, arxizw apo auto to simeio na skeftomai an uparxei kapios logos pou eipe toso dinata oti nomize itane Hi, enw tha mborouse apla na sinexisei na pezei tin partida xwris na to apokalipsei.

Kanei to bet $200 o Grinder, kai parolo pou theorw oti exw edge sto range tou me ta fulla mou, kanw mono call gia na min dosw plirofories.

5th Street, Pot $850.

SS: ( )

MM: ( X X )

Sinexizei me to $400 bet o Grinder, kai parolo pou pali thewrw oti exw pio poli equity apo to range tou afou exw prosthesei kai low draw, apofasizw na kanw pali flat. Anti na dei3w oti mou arese to 7ri kai mou edose low draw, thelw na sinexisw na kanw represent apla ena pair.

Episis me to bet tou arxizw kai upopsiazomai akomi perissotero oti arxise me treis kouppes kai den exei pair, giauto kai ithele na mou pei oti itan Stud Hi.

6th Street, Pot $1650.

SS: ( )

MM: ( X X )

Kanw anoixto pair ntames, enw o Mizrachi vriskei ena sxetiko blank (tha mborouse na exei low draw twra alla afou ekane bet anti check sto 5th street to vriskw kapws apithano).

Twra milaw protos, kai kanw to bet out $400 me autopepoithisi, thelontas na kanw represent oti exw Queens Up. Den to skeftete poly, kai me kanei call.

7th street, Pot $2450

SS: ( ) ( )

MM: ( X X ) ( X )

Koitazw kai vlepw oti exw vrei ena apo ta fylla pou distixos den me voithane katholou (9, T, J kai K). Milontas kai out of position omws, apofasizw na kanw to bet san mblofa mipos kai peta3ei ena mikro two pair i one pair Kings, afou exw pe3ei olo to hand san na exw akomi ena pair.

Vazw ta 4 mavra chips e3w loipon, koitazei katw o Grinder, kai xwris poli distagmo kanei raise!

3afniazomai arketa apo to raise tou, afou einai san na leei oti den xanei apo Queen's up. Anti na peta3w to hand mou amesws, vgenw apo to bluffing mode kai arxizw na skeftomai se bluff-catching mode. Koitazw me sigkentrosi to board tou Mizrachi, e3etazontas oles tis plirofories.

To pio pithanon na exei skeftomai, einai na exei simplirosei flush sto river. Eixa skeftei apo tin arxi oti fenotane gia flush draw, kai to oti den skeftike na pei paso sto 6th street enw meta kanei raise sto 7th, sigoura auto dixnei.

Me vlepei twra o Grinder pou koitazw epimona to board tou kai skeftomai, kai mou leei gelontas "I just have Jack-High" kai mou deixnei ena apo ta down-cards tou, !

Twra pernei strofes to myalo mou. Se ti level skeftike kai mou to edei3e auto? Mallon exei katalavei oti to board tou kai to action dixnoun hearts. Mou deixnei ena heart.. fisika 3erei oti skeftomaste kai oi dio se psilo level, kai prepei na apofasisw twra se pio level skeftike.

3afnika skeftomai akomi ena logo na mou dei3ei auto to xarti- fovate mipos kai kanw call me tin skepsi oti pithanon na exei mono ena made low, afou an kai ta 3 tou krimmena filla einai mikra exei low! Episis ta 2 low cards tou pou fenonte einai katw apo to nut low pou mborw na exw egw (7 low), opotan mborei na me exei hand locked sto low me ena 6-low. Diladi an eixe ena 8 sto board tou tha 3erame kai oi dio oti den tha me ekane raise mono me low se periptosi pou ton kanw scoop.

Giauto to logo kanw telika to call, apo bluff se bluff-catcher me mono ena pair.

MM:"Great call. You have just Queens right?"

SS:"Yep"

MM:"I thought with the jack you would think it was Reverse-Reverse-Reverse"

SS:"Yeah.. but I went Reverse-Reverse-Reverse-Reverse! :laugh: "

[d4ffyd3ck]

SickSick eisai 8eos!!!

Keep posting...

[Paraforos]

Ωραίος SickSick,

Πολύ καλός ο τρόπος που περιγράφεις τα hands χωρίς να μπλέκεις % και odds αλλά περιγράφοντας τη δική σου on the fly σκέψη.

Keep em comming

[kontos23]

oraies partides..elpizo na sinexizeis na postareis k na min se apotharinoun ta eironika sxolia kapoion

[SickSick]

Thanks guys

Tha teliosw auti ti seira argotera simera me mia teleutaia analymeni partida apo Badugi.

[semibluff]

Havalencia έγραψε:

To 5o nut exei o ss kai to 3o o chino alla sunexizei na einai oso pio sick gientai to hand! Me mia epifulaksi panta!

Sicksick sunexise na postareis. Pragmatika meta ti niki sou sto leaderboard tou ftops kai vlepwntas na paizeis tetoia games se tetoia stakes se katatasw isws stin prwti thesi twn ellinwn paiktwn. wd!

this....

kapoies fores to levelling, oi parastaseis(nikifores sinithws) se tetoia stakes kai me tetoious kataksiwmenosu antipalous lene polla perissotera apo kapoia $$$ parapanw sto ilektroniko account...

me avg buy in sta tour 270+ kai me thetiko roi(mikro sample alla doesnt matter) kai gia mena prokeitai gia ton koryfaio ellina paikti..

allo ena synithismeno pleon ''keep posting''

ps sta tous gt den symmeteihes? prwtos ellinas se high roller kai gamw..

[von_dracul]

synexise george kai min stamatas giati teleytaia partida????just keep posting...syneisfereis poly file...

[Gamer0044]

To sugkekrimeno topic einai mia oash sthn aperanti bourdologia ton elinikon poker forums.

Me to leonida (apo kalamata) exeis pexei kamia partida... :laugh:

[SickSick]

@semibluff, ty gia ta logia sou, eutixos pigane kai ta $$$ sta elektronika mou account poly kala fetos, apla den katagrafonte ta mixed games cash games. Sta tournoua den epe3a epeidi eixa klisei eisitirio na figw apo Kipro stin mesi, eixa kapoies upoxreoseis.

@von_dracul teleutaia epeidi mono akomi mia endiaferon partida thimame apo ekeini tin nixta

Entharinomai omws aresan toso poly oi analiseis mou, eidika epeidi prokeite gia poker games pou den pezoun polloi. Xairomai diladi pou den ri3ate aplws mia matia, eidate oti den einai holdem, kai eipate na min asxolitheite. Opios apofasisei na arxisei kapio mixed game kai thelei na me rotisei kati mboreite panta na mou stelnete PM.

@Gamer distixos den ton exw gnorisei ton leonida, alla legame me ton gkap simera oti tha eixe poly plaka na sistinete twra, 'Geia eimai o Leonidas... Apo kalamata'

[SickSick]

To 6o game mas itane to Stud Hi, exasa kapoia mikra pots stin arxi,

enw pextike kai mia poly megali partida meta3i tou Chino kai tou Kelly Kim. Me board o Kelly eixe stin tripa gia 5's full, enw o Chino se board eixe gia 7s full. O Kelly trellathike meta tin partida, upostirizontas oti eixe malista arxisei me ta tria 5ria! O Grinder den ton pisteve alla opws pextike i partida prepei na itan alitheia. Antithetos o Chino sto telos tou hand sikostike, kai pige tin volta tou gia na..

Menontas 3-handed, eixa akomi mia maxi me ton Grinder:

Eimai pali bring in kai exw ( ) , enw o Grinder me to pio megalo fullo apo tous treis mas kanei to raise sta $200. Call mono egw..

4th Street, $450:

SS: ( )

MM: ( X X )

Poly kalo xarti gia mena vevaia kai milaw protos. 3erw oti o Grinder me perimenei an exw mbastounia na kanw bet i checkraise, giauto gia na ton kanw deceive kanw check, 3erwntas oti einai poly agressive kai tha kanei bet enw polloi alloi den tha ekanan. Etsi kai ginete, kai kanw call elpizontas oti an erthei allo mbastouni tha twn exw pisei oti den eixa flush draw.

5th Street, $850:

SS:( )

MM:( X X )

Sinexizw me check call kanontas represent kati san pair 6s.

6th Street, $1650:

SS:( )

MM:( X X )

Me anoixto pair Kings vevaia kanw twra to bet out, paristanontas kings up. O Mizrachi kanei call, pou einai ligo para3eno epeidi an kerdizei kings up tha kanei raise panta, enw an einai piso tote diskola exei odds na kanei call.

7th Street, $2450:

SS:( ) ( )

MM:( X X ) ( X )

Distixos blankarw, alla kanw pali bet epeidi exontas kripsei to flush draw mou einai tromera diskolo na me kanei call me mono mikro 2 pair. Skeftete ligo o Grinder, kai kanei raise, se mia poly paromia katastasi opws to Hi/Lo hand.

To provlima einai oti pali to raise tou dixnei oti ekane hand sto river pou kerdizei kings up. Sto 6th street skeftomai oti sigoura prepei na eixe draw, mallon diamond flush draw, kai den i3era an itan swsto na pw paso enw mou eixe di3ei apo to allo xeri oti einai ikanos na mblofarei edw. To skeftika arketi wra, kai diskolevomoun na kanw to call epeidi den pisteva oti meta to allo hand tha dokimaze eukola to idio move. Evaza omws $400 gia $4050 pot, kai me to poso aggro epeze telika ekana to call, kai einai to ena pragma oli tin nixta pou eniosa oti pragmatika ekana lathos.

To xeri tou: MM:( ) ( )

Eixa kalitero pair kai kalitero draw (flush vs straight), alla distixos exasa to pot kai malista me dio big bets sto river..

[SickSick]

Menontas me $3k arxise to 7o kai teleutaio game Badugi, opou kerdisa tin teleutaia mou partida tis vradias, mia gia tin opoia eimoun arketa perifanos..

[SickSick]

Gia na sas psisw... lol...

[SickSick]

Arxizoume to teleutaio pexnidi sto rotation, kai epistrefei apo tin volta tou o Chino Rheem.

Me 3k eimai utg me ena made badugi, . 4 handed ola ta badugis einai playable hands, afou i pithanotita na arxiseis me badugi einai mono 6.3%, h peripou mia fora kathe 16 hands.

Vazw loipon to raise sta $400, kai piso mou sto button o Chino to kanei $600. Feugoun ta blinds, vazw to reraise sta $800 kai xwris skepsi o Chino to kanei 5-bet cap, $1000.

Draw 1: Pot $2300

SS: Stays Pat.

CR: Stays Pat.

Parolo pou to cap tou Chino dixnei oti mallon exei kai autos made badugi, den uparxei megalo kerdos sto na kanw 'break' to badugi mou petontas ton vale, afou stin kaliteri kanw draw gia ena 987x low, elaxista kalitero hand. An eixa as poume ena Q653 badugi, mborei na petousa tin ntama se auto to spot.

Distixos o Chino kanei grigora pat, parolo pou exw kanei pat mbrosta tou, kai to xeri mou plewn den einai poly elkistiko. Kanw check, kai exei etoimo to $200ri bet tou.

Arxizw kai skeftomai ti sxedio exw plewn gia to hand. 3erw oti se auta ta 6.3% hands pou einai dealt badugis, to average hand einai to Q7xx badugi, opotan upologizw oti to xeri mou einai kalitero apo peripou 55% twn dealt badugis.

Skeftomai meta to poso grigora kai aneta exei kanei bet/raise pantou o Chino, alla exontas diavasei apo poker players pou kapnizoun xorto oti otan einai high pezoun xwris fovo kai mblofaroun aneta, diskolevomai na ton valw se poli kalitero range para olo to range twn dealt badugis.

Parola auta, anti na kanw apla check/call down apofasizw na valw osi pio poly piesi mborw pano ston Chino, kai an den alla3ei poreia na skeftw sovara to paso.

Exontas valei preflop ta chips pou eixa se mavra $100ria, exw minei me mono dio kitrines $1000res.

Lew tou Chino: "Hmm, 2k in the pot and I have to put 1k more total.. Normally I would think about folding this, but cause you just smoked I can't give you any respect."

Vazw mesa tin mia 1000ra, kai paei o dealer na mou dosei ta $800 resta. Ton stamataw: "Its ok, leave it, it plays for $200 now". Thelw na peisw oso pio kala mborw ton Chino oti exw idi apofasisei na ton kanw call down.

2nd draw, $2700

Kanw pat, kai 3afnika petagete o Chino: "Ok, ok, wait a minute", kai pataei mbrosta tou face-up to !! :laugh:

Kanw to auto-bet $400 plewn enw pernei ena fullo apo ton dealer. O dealer omws 3exase na kanei burn prin tou dosei, kai ginete kapoia sigxisi gia to ti xarti prepei na parei. Telika kai ta dio den tou kanane anyway, kai anti na perimenei na katharistei i sigxisi kai na kanei call ta $400 gia na prospathisei sto teleutaio draw, apofasizei na peta3ei apla ta fylla tou.

Me rwtaei an tha itan kalos an ekane to 9 low tou, kai tou lew nai. Eixe 6 outs gia na kanei 9 low, opotan marginally eixe ta odds na kanei call an itan sigouros oti tha kerdize me 9 low. O Kelly Kim koita3e to fullo pou tha eperne kai tou elege oti itan kai tha kerdize to hand. Mallon ekane plaka omws gia na parei ekdikisi apo to stud hand tous, epeidi meta apo ligo tou eipe oti itane

[SickSick]

Teliwse meta apo ligo i nixta afou exasa 2 hands molis meta sto triple draw, kai apofasisa na min pe3w allo afou sto myalo mou epeza apla to freeroll apo to PLO pot. Eimai anoixtos gia to epomeno pragma pou endiafereste na grapsw, isws kai kapio video apo online cash/sng/wcoop sintoma. let me know kai otan vrw ton xrono tha to dokimasw

[Havalencia]

Εγώ θέλω κάτι άσχετο.

Επειδή νομίζω ότι αυτά τα παιχνίδια είναι πιο εύκολα να τα κερδίσεις επειδή μπαίνουν παίκτες άσχετοι απλά για το χαβαλέ και που πληρώνουν με τα πάντα επειδή βλέπουν φύλλα και άπειρα draws μπροστά τους.

Εγώ μέχρι τώρα έπαιζα razz και horse αλλά τις τελευταίες μέρες δοκίμασα και το 8-game. Έχεις κάποιο εργαλείο, κάποια άρθρα κλπ υπόψιν σου για να βοηθήσουν; Και γενικά πως μελετάς το παιχνίδι από τη στιγμή που trackers σοβαροί ακόμα δεν υπάρχουν; (ή έχεις τον pt3 stud???)

Μιλάμε για cash πάντα. Σε tour δεν τα προτιμάω εκτός αν υπάρχει κάτι special.

[SickSick]

Exw dokimasei to pt stud kathos kai ta alla gia ta plo/nl/o8 games, den exw niwsei oti me voithisane poly alla i alitheia einai oti den asxolithika kai poly xrono.

Sigoura to kalitero einai na pareis ta paixnidia ena ena 3exwrista kai na ta matheis etsi. Gia 2/7 exei grapsei ena kalo section o Negreanu sto super system, kai einai kalo kai tou todd bronsun sto idio vivlio gia stud8. To stud hi einai apo ta pio diskola games, ena kalo vivlio einai tou Sklansky pano sto game.

Gia razz me exei voithisei pou exw kanei ta mathimatika tou ligo sto excel, eidika gia ta starting hands e.g. an exei kapios ena 8 tote ti % exei na einai me dio mikrotera, ktl.

Use this site http://propokertools.com/simulations a lot, sou kanei kai rank ta omaha8 hands gia ring games an tou ta valeis mesa, pantos kai ekeino einai diskolo game kai thelei douleia, exei ena kalo vivlio o Cappelletti.

Kai gia na min erthei o Taramas na grafei oti eixe dikaio ta vivlia tha mas swsoune, einai simantiko na pezeis polla hands na perneis trivi, na vlepeis ligo high stakes kai pws pezoun ekei gia na perneis idees, kai na skeftese ligo ta paixnidia apo plevras stratigikis.

Emena thimame mou ekane tromeri entiposi prin 2 xronia pou evlepa to 400/800 8-game kai o Boosted J ekane triple barrel bluff me 2222K afou o antipalos den mborei na kanei kalitero hand apo 86543. Edei3e tin mblofa sto telos otan foldare o Greenstein, to ekana screensave toso mou arese Meta apo ligous mines mou ekane kai emena deal 2222x kai to ekana kai egw

[gitemenos]

sicksick kapoio strategy site pou na exei os antikeimeno mono to stud high mipos gnorizeis?nomizo oti einai apo tis pio diaskedastikes parallages tou poker!!

exo katevasei tou sklansky se ilektroniki morfi...kapoio sxolio pano sto biblio?

thanks in advance!!

[crf88]

SickSick έγραψε:

Emena thimame mou ekane tromeri entiposi prin 2 xronia pou evlepa to 400/800 8-game kai o Boosted J ekane triple barrel bluff me 2222K afou o antipalos den mborei na kanei kalitero hand apo 86543. Edei3e tin mblofa sto telos otan foldare o Greenstein, to ekana screensave toso mou arese Meta apo ligous mines mou ekane kai emena deal 2222x kai to ekana kai egw

to xei grapsei o doyle kamia 35 xronia prin to sigkekrimeno kolpo....

gia nl 2-7 pou epaizan tote alla to idio einai

[SickSick]

Nai, se NL einai kai pio dinato epeidi mboreis na valeis pio poly piesi sto telos apla ena aplo limit bet. Exw akousei oti o Ivey leei to 2222x einai to agapimeno tou fyllo sto NL 2/7. Anyway nai den einani kanena mistiko to 'snowing' otan exoume sto fyllo mas polla 2ria, egw sixna otan arxizw me treia 2ria kai ena low card, arxizw prospathontas na kanw draw kanonika, kai an den vrw tipota meta apo to proto draw kanw to xeri mou se mblofa kai menw pat

@gitemenos- oxi den exw vrei kanena kalo site me arthra gia stud, alla exw liga decent videos. To sigkekrimeno vivlio einai kalo pistevw, den exei polla lathoi mesa kai exei ptixes pou den tis skeftese eukola. Wraio to stud, stin arxi nomisa oti itane tromera vareto paixnidi alla den i3era ti ekana, to epeza san holdem kai gireva na arxisw mono me pairs ktl, alla ama matheis na pezeis einai sigoura diaskedastiko.