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[aekara1921]

Full Tilt Poker Game #24371147044: $7,500 Guarantee (188388373), Table 66 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 09:46:34 ET - 2010/10/02

Seat 1: euraba (3,580)

Seat 2: frank dsp force (7,300)

Seat 3: whosgatdherb (1,580)

Seat 4: The_Hippo4 (2,330)

Seat 5: CHASE52OUTS (10,650)

Seat 6: MuDDYBuTT1 (1,600)

Seat 8: I Understand U (5,000)

Seat 9: arvan1985 (10,863)

I Understand U posts the small blind of 100

arvan1985 posts the big blind of 200

The button is in seat #7

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to arvan1985 [8h 7h]

euraba folds

SuckHer sits down

frank dsp force has 15 seconds left to act

frank dsp force has timed out

frank dsp force folds

frank dsp force is sitting out

whosgatdherb folds

The_Hippo4 folds

CHASE52OUTS raises to 600

MuDDYBuTT1 folds

I Understand U folds

arvan1985 has 15 seconds left to act

arvan1985 raises to 1,466

frank dsp force has returned

CHASE52OUTS calls 866

*** FLOP *** [Qc 5d 7d]

arvan1985 checks

CHASE52OUTS bets 3,032

arvan1985 has 15 seconds left to act

arvan1985 has requested TIME

arvan1985 raises to 9,397, and is all in

CHASE52OUTS calls 6,152, and is all in

arvan1985 shows [8h 7h]

CHASE52OUTS shows [8d 8c]

Uncalled bet of 213 returned to arvan1985

*** TURN *** [Qc 5d 7d] [Ks]

*** RIVER *** [Qc 5d 7d Ks] [Qd]

arvan1985 shows two pair, Queens and Sevens

CHASE52OUTS shows two pair, Queens and Eights

CHASE52OUTS wins the pot (21,400) with two pair, Queens and Eights

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 21,400 | Rake 0

Board: [Qc 5d 7d Ks Qd]

Seat 1: euraba didn't bet (folded)

Seat 2: frank dsp force didn't bet (folded)

Seat 3: whosgatdherb didn't bet (folded)

Seat 4: The_Hippo4 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 5: CHASE52OUTS showed [8d 8c] and won (21,400) with two pair, Queens and Eights

Seat 6: MuDDYBuTT1 didn't bet (folded)

Seat 8: I Understand U (small blind) folded before the Flop

Seat 9: arvan1985 (big blind) showed [8h 7h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens

opos blepete exo ena kalo stack kai eimaste konta stis pliromes omos o sigkekrimenos einai aggresive kai theoro pos to pot bet pou kanei exei poli aera mesa.thelo gnomes.

[griffith]

1)To size tou 3bet sou einai poly mikro vash twn stacks kai eidika oop

2)An htan aggressive 8a ekane shove ta 88 sto 3bet

3)To check sou sto flop einai la8os(bet 40% pot) giati an kanei mikrotero bet sto opoio fadazomai oti kaneis call ftaneis sto turn me ena pot size bet left kai thn paramikrh idea pou vriskesai enw sxedon ola ta turn cards einai scary

4)To pot bet den borei na perilamvanei air epeidh ginetai commited kai epeidh ena bet 1/2 tou pot 8a htan arketo se periptosh pou to check sou shmaine give up(kai genika kapoios pou kanei check oop meta apo 3bet sxedon pada exei apofasisei ti 8a kanei kai den exei shmasia to bet size). Fysika borei na xei draws,vale ena range sto pokerstove kai des ti vgenei

[aekara1921]

griffith έγραψε:

1)To size tou 3bet sou einai poly mikro vash twn stacks kai eidika oop

2)An htan aggressive 8a ekane shove ta 88 sto 3bet

3)To check sou sto flop einai la8os(bet 40% pot) giati an kanei mikrotero bet sto opoio fadazomai oti kaneis call ftaneis sto turn me ena pot size bet left kai thn paramikrh idea pou vriskesai enw sxedon ola ta turn cards einai scary

4)To pot bet den borei na perilamvanei air epeidh ginetai commited kai epeidh ena bet 1/2 tou pot 8a htan arketo se periptosh pou to check sou shmaine give up(kai genika kapoios pou kanei check oop meta apo 3bet sxedon pada exei apofasisei ti 8a kanei kai den exei shmasia to bet size). Fysika borei na xei draws,vale ena range sto pokerstove kai des ti vgenei

1)kano represent big pair kai eskemena kano mikro 3bet,epipleon den thelo na mou kostisei akriba i apofasi mou na paikso etsi to xeri.an kanei reraise thelo na exo tis mikroteres apoleies.

2)se auto den simfono,itan poli aggresive preflop anoigontas polles fores apo tetoies theseis alla den pisteuo pos to 88 tha to shovare apenanti se omoio kai big stack.

3)en merei exeis dikio alla ithela na kano na fanei pos paizo ena tricky play diladi na deikso adinamia me check kai na kano raise an pontare.megalo rolo epekse bebaia to bet pou ekane to opoio den me epeise katholou.xoris na eimai katholou sigouros pisteuo pos an kratouse q tha ekane mikrotero pontarisma.

4)pisteuo pos tha ekane auto to pontarisma me megalo range,opos fanike tha to ekane me kathe middle kai small pair,episis me draws kai den apokleio to range tou na exei kapoio air mesa.logo preflop action afairo ap to range tou qq+ ara, kai pali xoris na eimai sigouros(gi auto postara eksalou), to shove pou kano mporei na min einai poli asximo.

[griffith]

1)Borei na skeftei oti isws exeis overpair kai na peksei fovismena postflop alla den 8a petaksei sxedon tipota tora. Epishs kalo einai na mhn kaneis represent AA,KK h tipota alla pio wide value range

2)An kanei polla raise preflop einai loose kai oxi aparaithta aggressive.

3)Dld exeis apofasisei hdh na to pas os to telos? Giati me opoiodhpote c/r ginesai commited. 8a symfonousa oti mallon den exei Q,alla 8a mou fainotan akoma pio api8ano na exei mid pair kai eixe telika

4)Den eipa oti einai asxhmo,sou eipa na ektimhseis to range toy kai na deis me vash ayto an einai sosto h oxi. Ki egw 8a ta vaza mallon etsi opws paixthke

[aekara1921]

griffith έγραψε:

1)Borei na skeftei oti isws exeis overpair kai na peksei fovismena postflop alla den 8a petaksei sxedon tipota tora. Epishs kalo einai na mhn kaneis represent AA,KK h tipota alla pio wide value range

2)An kanei polla raise preflop einai loose kai oxi aparaithta aggressive.

3)Dld exeis apofasisei hdh na to pas os to telos? Giati me opoiodhpote c/r ginesai commited. 8a symfonousa oti mallon den exei Q,alla 8a mou fainotan akoma pio api8ano na exei mid pair kai eixe telika

4)Den eipa oti einai asxhmo,sou eipa na ektimhseis to range toy kai na deis me vash ayto an einai sosto h oxi. Ki egw 8a ta vaza mallon etsi opws paixthke

anoige polles fores kai meta ekane to typical cbet kai sinithos eperne to pot,nomiza pes me to check pou kano sto flop tou deixno adinamia opote mporei na pontarei me polla filla gia na parei to pot(kai me air).otan kano raise allin thelo na tou deikso dinami(aa,kk,qq) i kati telospanton pio dinato ap to 88 pou krataei.me tin idia logiki tha me ekane call kai me 66 55 ktl.to mono pou skeftomai einai pos eixa poli kalo stack gia na kano tetoies alximies.

[koskosmo]

lead bet στο flop.Δεν νομιζω με το range που κανεις represent να κανεις check σε τετοιο board.Προτιμω ενα τετοιο play απο position παρα oop.

[aekara1921]

koskosmo έγραψε:

lead bet στο flop.Δεν νομιζω με το range που κανεις represent να κανεις check σε τετοιο board.Προτιμω ενα τετοιο play απο position παρα oop.

to postara kai sto forum enos training site,enas pro mou apantise to eksis:

"I think I would take a flop in position here with cards that flop very well. You could raise his c-bet if you think he c-bets light and it's a much smaller bet to do it when you don't 3 bet pre.

apla skeftika pos to check raise se auti tin periptosi deixnei dinami kai episis pos exei poli air sto range pou kanei pot bet.to thema tis thesis prospatho akoma na do pos tha leitourgouse(oxi mono se auti tin periptosi alla genikotera.)as ipothesoume pos itan o idios paixtis small blind kai ekane to idio bet preflop.ego antidrao me ton idio tropo kai kano mini 3bet.entaxei bebaia exei alli dinamiki otan paizeis sb vs bb. alla ipotheto pos den sovarei.an kanei lead bet pleon kano fold??an kanei check kano cbet kai fold sto shove tou?dose mou kapoia lines se auti tin periptosi

[harima]

What do you mean johnny? speachless?

[koskosmo]

Οταν λεω απο position λεω να εισαι button π.χ.Εκει το range που κανεις 3-bet ειναι μικροτερο και κανεις πιο ευκολα represent,δεν θεωρει οτι κανεις defence για τα blinds.Με φυλλα οπως 89s,TJs,JQs μου αρεσει το απλο call γιατι παιζουν καλυτερα postflop.Με κατι χειροτερα φυλλα,57 π.χ. ειναι καλυτερα το 3-Bet.Δεν ξερω αυτα τα play μου αρεσουν πολυ στο cash,που παιζεις παρα πολλα χερια με τους ιδιους αντιπαλους και βοηθαει πολυ στο metagame,στα tour δεν ξερω ποσο +EV ειναι τετοιες κινησεις.Ας μιλησει και καποιος πιο εμπειρος.