ONGAME KAI POTE TO BAD BEAT PROKALEI IPOPHIES

[Guest]

PAIZW STO POKER GR SAN ACELEEDS13.

ITHELA KAIRO NA KANW AVTO TO POST ALLA KRATIOMOUNA.

PISTEVW OTI TA PAIXNIDIA STIN ONGAME EPIFEROUN TOSO BAD BEAT POU KAPIOS THA IPETHETE OTI EINAI ETSI PROGRAMMATISMENA WSTE KAPOIOI NA EVNOUNTAI.

THA ITHELA NA RWTISW TOUS ANTHRWPOUS TIS ONGAME AN MPOROUN NA MAS DEIXOUN KAPOIA STATISTIKA KAI KAPOIA STOIXEIA POU NA APODEIKNYOUN OTI TO PAIXNIDI EINAI FAIR.

MEXRI TOTE TO BAD BEAT OTAN EINAI PARATETAMENO KAI SYNEXES THA KINEI TIS IPOPHIES OTI TO XERI LEITOURGEI SAN THIRAMA GIA TA TSIPIA , WSTE O KINIGOS NA SKOTWSEI TO THIRAMA TELIKA.

OPOI0SDIPOTE RANDOMISER THA EDINE BAD BEATS ALLA TO NA XANEIS SE XERIA POU EISAI 80/20 MPROSTA SE POSOSTO 80/20 EINAI SIGOURO ANISIXITIKO GIA NA SE KANEI NA SKEFTEIS OTI TO BAD BEAT STIRIZETAI POU?MONO STIN TIXI?I KAPOU ALLOU?

TO POST AVTO GIA NOMIKOUS SKOPOUS EXEI TIN MORFI ERWTISIS,KAI MONO ERWTISIS.DEN APOTELEI OPOIADIPOTE MOMFI OUTE IPONOEI KATI,APLA RWTAEI GIA KAPOIES APANTISEIS,SE MIA PLATFORM POU EXEI PARA POLLOUS XILLIADES USERS.

[vergitsis]

re paidia eleos,poso megalo einai to deigma sou gia na les kati tetoio???

filiki simvouli:stamatiste me tis ipopsies kai beltiwste to pixnidi sas.postarete xeria,diavaste kai paikste oso pio poli mporeite.

[Guest]

20,000 XERIA EINAI TO DEIGMA MOU.

[RORYG]

Ama niotheis oti se exei poulisei kai eunoei allous sta 20,000 xeria kai sinexizeis kai paizeis, e signomi diladi eisai megalo koroido. ama niotheis oti eunoeis tous allous ti kathesai kai paizeis tote?min xanapaixeis stin ongame,xekina ta live i xekina allo athlima ase to poker..

[holdemgr]

zzzz... variance zzz...

[Guest]

zzz variance zzz den xerw ti ennoeis.

alla otan xaneis monima se all ins apo 80/20 mprosta aa/66 px kk/33 einai provlima.

episis otan se tourna me blinds 300/600 kaneis tous kk raise 4800 kai se vlepei o allos me 78 kai xaneis synexeia prokalei ipophies.

otan kaneis tis qq raise 3000 me blinds 100/200 kai se vlepei me jq kai xaneis apo ak10,kai toys assous 10 bb se proxwrimeno stadio,kai xaneis apo a9 me a5789 katw exeis ipophies.

den eimai koroido aplws prospathe na ftasw stin akri tou nimatos.

[Guest]

itan aa/a9 me a5678.

giati den mou exigoune tote pws to fair game diasfalizetai.den katevika apo ta vouna kati katalavainw.

giati den dinoun kapoia graphs me toys nikites kai toys xamenous.na doume ta graphs avta exoun paraxena peaks,ti variance exoun?

poia sites kerdizoun kai posa.

giati den dinoun kapoia graphs me tous nikites over a year.

[magic32magic]

hardelefsina έγραψε:

zzz variance zzz den xerw ti ennoeis.

alla otan xaneis monima se all ins apo 80/20 mprosta aa/66 px kk/33 einai provlima.

episis otan se tourna me blinds 300/600 kaneis tous kk raise 4800 kai se vlepei o allos me 78 kai xaneis synexeia prokalei ipophies.

otan kaneis tis qq raise 3000 me blinds 100/200 kai se vlepei me jq kai xaneis apo ak10,kai toys assous 10 bb se proxwrimeno stadio,kai xaneis apo a9 me a5789 katw exeis ipophies.

den eimai koroido aplws prospathe na ftasw stin akri tou nimatos.

ama me assous xaneis apo a9 me tetoio board sigoura einai stimeno to paixnidi giati exei set enw o allos dyo zevgaria... 20000 xeria ta simioses 1-1?I mipos thymasai mono afta pou xaneis?

[psfsin]

lol louka! simera prepei na einai i pio mavri imera apo tote pou stamatisa na paizw stin ongame(pokergr)! ta badbeats mou ekopsan ta podia pragmatika exasa me kathe tropo! endeiktika koitaxte auto to koloxero : to paiksa kai me to feidia gewrgiou o opoios se ola ta allin tou s ayto to tour (4 ton arithmo) se ola preflop itan mprosta... sto flop vriskotan na kinigaei 5- 10% kai OLA ta kerdise sto river! siga min ti glitwna egw! ( i alitheia einai pws kinigaga na na paiksw xeria mazi tou..) kai tin patisa :

PokerStars Game #18942083407: Tournament #95444505, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/07/19 - 16:26:00 (ET)

Table '95444505 187' 9-max Seat #7 is the button

Seat 2: ael1979 (8830 in chips)

Seat 3: psfsin (7235 in chips)

Seat 4: Peter10 (3715 in chips)

Seat 5: Remko26 (4745 in chips)

Seat 6: pokersean420 (5950 in chips)

Seat 7: DRingsborg (1120 in chips)

Seat 8: Schneid333 (7885 in chips)

Seat 9: Gracie85 (3014 in chips)

Schneid333: posts small blind 100

Gracie85: posts big blind 200

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to psfsin [As Js]

ael1979: raises 320 to 520

psfsin: calls 520

Peter10: folds

Remko26: folds

pokersean420: folds

DRingsborg: folds

Schneid333: folds

Gracie85: folds

*** FLOP *** [Ad Jd 9s]

Trackerdog is connected

ael1979: bets 850

psfsin: raises 1200 to 2050

ael1979: raises 6260 to 8310 and is all-in

psfsin: calls 4665 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (1595) returned to ael1979

*** TURN *** [Ad Jd 9s] [9d]

*** RIVER *** [Ad Jd 9s 9d] [7d]

*** SHOW DOWN ***

ael1979: shows [Ac Kd] (a flush, Ace high)

psfsin: shows [As Js] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)

ael1979 collected 14770 from pot

ael1979 said, "ul gg"

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot 14770 | Rake 0

Board [Ad Jd 9s 9d 7d]

Seat 2: ael1979 showed [Ac Kd] and won (14770) with a flush, Ace high

Seat 3: psfsin showed [As Js] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks

Seat 4: Peter10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: Remko26 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 6: pokersean420 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 7: DRingsborg (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: Schneid333 (small blind) folded before Flop

Seat 9: Gracie85 (big blind) folded before Flop

ki egw stin ongame kerdiza mia periodo kai meta irthe to variance - kako paiksimo logw tilt klp kai kako bankrollmanagement kai tin ekopsa! de simainei omws oti einai kai stimena...

plaka plaka kairo eixa na noiwsw toso asxima gia to poker(apo polu palia) kai den einai ta 180 euro pou exasa einai ta tromera badbeats sto 60% twn hu pou epaiksa kai sta multi kaaaaaaala! oufffff ksetiltara paw na paiksw to 55000gtd! aceleeds allakse etaireia!!!einai psuxologiko pleon gia sena! alla mou fainetai kai na allakseis pali stimena tha sou fainontai...

[ConteStinis]

Ίσως είσαι λίγο άτυχος...δοκίμασε κανένα γούρι...

[crf88]

kofte ti klapsa reeeeeeeee

[skoty1000]

holdemgr έγραψε:

zzzz... variance zzz...

poy ta vriskis re.xaxaxax.olo triponta isai.apo edo kai pera tha se leo MPOMPER.

[AngryKoreaMan]

File hardelefsina , ypothetw oti nomizeis oti exeis faei polla bad beat epeidh pezeis mono tournoua kai ekei otan bustareis "ponaei" kai to thimase.

Opws exoun proanaferei polla atoma nomizeis oti exeis faei polla bad beat giati kaneis de thimate otan eisai 80/10 mprosta i kai parapanw ti nikh toy.Eitan logiko epakoloutho.

Ean ostoso nomizeis oti yparxei kapio "provlima" me to logismiko tis sigekrimenhs etairias kai kathe allhs etairias(pou de to pisteyw),tote kata pasa pithanotita einai psyxologiko to thema.H kane kapio break ,h' allaxe etairia ,h' pexe polla xeria se cash game se ena sigekrimeno limit kai des ta apotelesmata.

Filika

Kalh sinexeia

PS Me mitsotakh avatar tiltarei olo to trapezi meta to prwto suckout.

[holdemgr]

Έτσι είναι αυτό το παιχνίδι. Σ'όποιον δεν αρέσει το variance ας πάει να παίξει γκρινιάρη.

[tolpkr]

νταξ μην κρυβομαστε, το ongame ειναι λιγο rigged.

[nanasta]

klassiki elliniki nootropia, opoios einai xamenos tha pei oti einai rigged, panta prepei na ftaei kapios allos gia ta lathi mas kai tin anikanotita mas, giauto kai den mporoume na pame mprosta, giati otan kapios nomizei oti ta xerei ola( vlepe greeks) den exei to kinitro na prospathisei na ginei kaliteros se auto pou kanei.

[Guest]

DEN KATALAVAINW AVTA POU LES FILE MOU NANASTA.MOU FAINETAI MILAS GIA NA MILAS. MILAS GIA ANIKANOTITA KAI NOOTROPIA GIA ENA ANTHRWPO POU DEN TON XEREIS KAI PISTEPHE ME EXEI DEKAPLASIES GNWSEIS APO ESENA STO THEMA TZOGO.

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ZITISA TA GRAPHS TWN WINNERS POU THA IPODEIKNIANE IPOPTA PEAKS,KAI GIA MONIMOUS WINNERS.

ACELEEDS13

[psanalytis]

ego gia to sigekrimeno logismiko den exo kamia ipopsia. exo apla ti vevaiotita oti moirazei sixna -pikna ta filla pano sti filosofia tou "time is money" i allios "ainte na teleionei to tourn". na gino pio safis..eidika sta tournoua kai pano sta inflektion points h ligo prin to bubble tha kerdisei 95% to big stack kai oxi to kalo hand.afti i sigekrimeni simperifora tou logismikou einai pou odigise emena toulaxiston sto na allakso etairia.afta me tin ongame

[nanasta]

ok gia dimosieuse loipon se excel i me kapio allo tropo kai deixe mas poses fores exases ontas 80-20 se all in( giati allios den metraei) diladi den xero an esy exeis paixei athlia to xeri sou kai dineis odds stous antipalous sou na veltiothoun.

Episis ta xeria pou eisai 70-30 mprosta.

Episis oxi mono poses foes isoun esy mprosta alla kai poses isoun piso kai kerdises.

Eimai sigouros oti den exeis kratisei tetoia stoixeia kai apla milas me tis entyposeis pou exoun meinei sto mialo sou apo bad beats, xexnontas ola ta suckouts pou exeis rixei.

An pali kano lathos deixe mas auta ta noumera me statistiki analisi na doume an exeis dikio, allios min mas xanaenoxliseis me ta anakrivh kai mi apodeikniomena simperasmata sou.

Oso gia tis gnoseis sou peri tzogou eimai sigouros oti exeis pio polles gnoseis , giati apla den exo asxolithei pote, eno esy apo oti eeis pei o idios exeis xasei polla lefta apo ton tzogo.

perimenoume loipon ta noumera apo ta opoia vgainoun ta simperasmata sou

[holdemgr]

Katebase ayto to programmataki gia na kaneis statistikh analysh:

*http://www.pokerevsoftware.com/download.html

[theomas]

holdem,

mporeis na doseis kammia pliroforia gia to POS doylevei afto to programmataki?

To katevasa -men- alla den...doulevei...

thx

theomas

[gsbets]

ισως αν πανηγυριζαμε τα winning hands πολυ εντονα τοτε δε θα φαινοταν μεγαλη η διαφορα.

ειναι μια λυση και αυτο.

θα φτασουμε σε λιγο καιρο να εχουμε κ thread οπως ps3 vs xbox360 , pokerstars vs ongame και θα τσακωνομαστε πιο ειναι πιο rigged

[SamGreek]

nanasta έγραψε:

ok gia dimosieuse loipon se excel i me kapio allo tropo kai deixe mas poses fores exases ontas 80-20 se all in( giati allios den metraei) diladi den xero an esy exeis paixei athlia to xeri sou kai dineis odds stous antipalous sou na veltiothoun.

Episis ta xeria pou eisai 70-30 mprosta.

Episis oxi mono poses foes isoun esy mprosta alla kai poses isoun piso kai kerdises.

Eimai sigouros oti den exeis kratisei tetoia stoixeia kai apla milas me tis entyposeis pou exoun meinei sto mialo sou apo bad beats, xexnontas ola ta suckouts pou exeis rixei.

An pali kano lathos deixe mas auta ta noumera me statistiki analisi na doume an exeis dikio, allios min mas xanaenoxliseis me ta anakrivh kai mi apodeikniomena simperasmata sou.

perimenoume loipon ta noumera apo ta opoia vgainoun ta simperasmata sou

Συμφωνώ απόλυτα με την ανακρίβεια και τα συμπεράσματα που προκύπτουν κι αναφέρει εδώ ο Νίκος. Πρέπει να είσαι σίγουρος ότι χάνεις πολύ πιο συχνά από 20% αυτά τα preflop ALL-INs. Εκτός κι αν μετράς και την περίπτωση που το ALL-IN γίνεται στο flop, αφού έχει βγάλει το set ο άλλος κι εσύ κάνεις call. Γιατί τότε θα έπρεπε να μετρήσεις και πόσες φορές πόνταρες τους ΑΑ στο flop και πήγαν όλοι πάσο γιατί δεν είχε κανείς τίποτα. Το 80-20% μετράει μόνο όταν έχουν μπει όλα τα λεφτά preflop στο ΑΑ vs underpair.

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